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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

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  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  Either the concept of Original Sin or inheriting sin from Adam (or Eve) is true or the words of Ezekiel are true, but not both. Either G-d visits the sins of parents upon their children, contradicting the words of Ezekiel, or the story of Adam and Eve have to be interpreted in the light of Ezekiel 18.

  
  

  Good point Caleb!

  Something is just not right with the idea of some man having to die a horrendous death for billions and billions of men, women and children to be forgiven. If that was really the case then Jesus could just have died in his sleep and the ransom would have been paid.
  
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  Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

  i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

  i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

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  Thanks Caleb. This post is really interesting. Everything I wanted to know, but was never told.
  
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  Would the discovery of EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE completely debunk the bible and religion?

  by Black Man in

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  i think it would.

  instantly.

  in fact, i hope one day soon that we somehow encounter extraterrestrial life because i think there would be a wholesale rejection of the bible and any/all religious institutions.

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  The JWs for sure, as well as all other religions would spin it off as New Light or a New Revelation from God’s as his overall purpose.

  (1 Corinthians 2:9) . . .But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him. . .
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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  Island Man

  Interesting OP. But there is a far deeper problem with the ransom issue. Adam did not introduce sin into the world. Eve did!

  So to solve the issue, they just ignored the fact that it was actually Eve who sinned first, and pinned the introduction of sin on her male accomplice, Adam.

  But that Eve introduced sin into the world is without dispute when you read Genesis.

  But the patriarchal misogynistic society in which christianity was born, could not stomach the thought of a woman having such a prominent role.

  That would actually explain a lot of other things like Paul’s strong convictions that Women were not allowed to teach in the congregation. Paul said that women could be easily deceived but not the men. Where does it say in Genesis that Adam was not deceived? For all we know Eve made an apple pie and gave him a piece and he was totally deceived. And if Paul can make up the story of Adam not being deceived, then I can make up the story of an apple being the forbidden fruit.

  (1 Timothy 2:14) . . .Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression. . .
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  How much was Christ's ransom sacrifice? Equal to Adam?

  by jonathan dough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how much was the ransom?

  gods justice did not require an exact equivalent man-for-man sacrifice between the first adam and jesus, the second adam.

  gods gift required more.

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  cofty

  He decided: the blood of a perfect human life

  Pictures can speak a thousand words Cofty.

  I saw the first picture,

  Then the second one,

  Case closed.
  
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  Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

  i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

  i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

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  The Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice (faith).

  It should be noted that neither Judaism nor Catholicism/Orthodox Christianity can adopt this belief since their religious systems were alive and well before the Biblical texts were written

  Caleb, are you saying Catholicism existed before the B.C. Era?

  
  
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  Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

  i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

  i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

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  Bonsai

  Very informative thread! Although I've lost all faith, I can't call myself an atheist because it's threads like this that prove to me that I've learned just enough to know that I don't really know anything at all. It makes me so sad that in this small lifespan that I have, I won't have the time to figure everything out.

  Hey Bonsai, who gave you permission to take those words out of my head, that is exactly how I feel. I couldn't have said it any better.
  
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  Basic Bible and Religious Vocabulary the Watchtower Never Teaches

  by CalebInFloroda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i began formal study of religion and biblical analysis it was like peeling off layer after layer of dark matter, sticky and putrid that had stuck over my eyes and ears and mouth.

  i learned that under the watchtower one only builds a widening gap between yourself and the world of biblical academia and scholars.

  i used to think i knew a lot because i learned to quote a few scholars or lexicons as a witness.

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  Caleb

  Since Protestanism rejects Apostolic Tradition, the reading of Scripture occurs without this preconception.

  I'm beginning to understand why there are over 40,000 Christians denominations.
  
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  An elder, Chief MD in Honolulu clinic goes door to door. Testimony given at JW convention

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
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  http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20150725/281848642300889/textview.

  it sounds to me like he was a jw before he became a physician.

  "kalauawa, who became a jw 31 years ago, said he had to overcome a major conflict between his religious and professional beliefs, because jws are opposed to blood transfusions.

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  During his residency [medical training] he resolved the dilemma by having other doctors order transfusions.

  Once the transfusion was ordered by another doctor, then in clear conscience he could go ahead and insert the needle and start pumping that blood.

  "Another pint please"
  
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  Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

  or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

  or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

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  Brokeback Watchtower

  I will say this about the Governing Body's desire to keep enforcing Disfellowshipping tactics as a form information control is playing with fire

  All it takes is one-huh!